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  • bfadlia
    05-09 12:09 PM
    My PD is 19th June 2006....close..lol... EB3 ROW

    I just got sent a packet from NVC to ask to confirm my layers details and my current address. Im hoping the June VB will put me in the current section...?

    just gotta wait and see i guess.

    ianlock, you didn't notice this thread http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=19012

    VB June is out, from mumbai consulate website
    sorry to bear the bad news, but eb3 row did not move





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  • akhilmahajan
    07-31 11:48 AM
    Have you tried Infopass.
    If not you should schedule an appointment and try to find out what is going on. Also, see what else can be done to get your EAD approved.

    Please let us know, how it goes.

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  • amitjoey
    01-18 01:16 PM
    890 more members needed.





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  • MeraNaamJoker
    08-05 02:40 PM
    :confused:No approvals today???????????????????:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(



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  • yabadaba
    10-12 04:28 PM
    Chronography of facts

    EB was current from AUGUST 1999 until April 2000.

    This warning was issued in the March 2000 VB:
    VISA AVAILABILITY FOR APRIL(2000)

    �Demand for immigrant visa numbers by INS for AOS cases in all categories, continues to be steady but has not reached the level requiring action at this time. It is anticipated that INS demand for numbers will require the establishment of visa cut-off dates for April in some or all of the CHINA-mainland born and INDIA Employment categories�.

    In May 2000. EB2 was retrogressed to 01JUL97 for China and 01APR99 for India

    In December 2000 VB the big announcement came:
    Greater availability of EB immigrant visas: On October 17th, the President signed P.L. 106-313. Title I of this law is known as the "American Competitiveness in the Twenty-first Century Act of 2000" and contains amendments to the INA regarding EB immigrant visas.
    In fiscal years 1999 and 2000, due in part to the per-country limits, the annual limit for EB immigrant visas was not reached. P.L. 106-313 makes the following changes in an attempt to rectify the situation with regard to per-country limits:
    Section 106 recaptures those EB visa numbers that were available but not used in fiscal years 1999 and 2000, creating a "pool" of approximately 130,000 numbers. These numbers could be made available to applicants in the EB1, EB2 and EB3 preference categories beginning in fiscal year 2001.
    Section 104 removes the per-country limit in instances where the overall applicant demand for EB visas is less than the numbers available without regard to those limits. This determination will be made quarterly, based on a comparison of the overall demand versus the available numbers. If the total number of available EB visas is greater than the number of qualified applicants who may otherwise be issued such visas (during the same period), the per-country limitations on EB visas will be lifted for the remainder of that quarter.
    In May 2001 EB2 became current again for both India and China.

    July 2001 VB:
    EMPLOYMENT-BASED PREFERENCE CATEGORIES:
    All categories have become "Current" for July, and are expected to remain so for the remainder of FY-2001. The cut-off date movement in all oversubscribed categories has been extremely rapid during the past year. This is because the FY-2001 limit is approximately 50,000 higher than normal, and legislative changes removed the per-country limitation if there are otherwise unused EB numbers available.
    All categories are expected to remain "Current" for the foreseeable future.

    January 2005 VB
    OVERSUBSCRIPTION OF EB3 FOR CHINA, INDIA, AND THE PHILPPINES

    June 2005 VB
    EMPLOYMENT VISA AVAILABILITY DURING THE REMAINDER OF FY-2005
    During the past month there has been a significant increase in the amount of numbers being used by CIS offices for AOS applicants. This level of demand has significantly depleted the supply of EB numbers available under the annual limit. Recent discussions with CIS have made it clear that their backlog reduction efforts will sustain or increase the current level of demand. Therefore, continued visa availability in the EB categories cannot be guaranteed during the final quarter of FY-2005. If demand continues at the current rate, it will be necessary to oversubscribe many or all of the EB categories on a Worldwide basis. Such oversubscription could result in the establishment of cut-off dates, retrogression of already established dates, or some categories becoming �unavailable�.
    July 2005 VB
    EMPLOYMENT VISA AVAILABILITY FOR JULY AND THE REMAINDER OF FY-2005
    EB3 and Third Other Worker categories have reached their annual limits and no further FY-2005 allocations are possible for the period July through September.

    September 2005 VB
    EMPLOYMENT VISA AVAILABILITY DURING FY-2006
    The backlog reduction efforts of both CIS, and the DOL continue to result in very heavy demand for EB numbers. It is anticipated that the amount of such cases will be sufficient to use all available numbers in many categories. As a result cut-off dates in the EB3 category will apply to the China, India, and Philippines chargeabilities beginning in October, and it is possible that Mexico may be added to this list. In addition, it is anticipated that heavy demand will require the establishment of a EB3 cut-off date on a Worldwide basis by December.
    The amount of Employment demand for applicants from China and India is also likely to result in the oversubcription of the EB1 and B2 categories for those chargeability areas. The establishment of such cut-off dates is expected to occur no later than December.
    The level of demand in the Employment categories is expected to be far in excess of the annual limits, and once established, cut-off date movements are likely to be slow.

    October 2005 VB:
    EMPLOYMENT PREFERENCE VISA AVAILABILTIY
    Item D in the September VB announcing the September cut-off dates provided information regarding the prospects of visa availability during the early months of FY-2006. Many categories have become oversubscribed for October, and cut-off dates established due to continued heavy demand for numbers by CIS for adjustment of status cases. Forward movement of the cut-off dates in these categories is likely to be limited.

    And IV was born.

    Have a nice weekend.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    excellent, excellent post. all facts, no conjecture.





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  • bitzbytz
    03-27 10:26 AM
    With this attitude and arrogance, I rarely think there would be motivation for anyone to do anything for IV.

    I started discussion by asking , how can IV convince me that my donation is going to help, I got shot down by ARROGANT ******** and got all reds as if I care. I was planning on a charity/donation drive of my own to get some money for IV.
    Know lot of consultants, who really dont know what to do with their miles with every one a executive airline status.
    Already have 10+ people pledging Poker tournament from my poker group with their miles for Airlines and hotels. We are talking of a Million AA miles.
    Indian restaurants(s) having a Immigration week where a dollar of each bill be given to IV.
    I was even thinking of standing at Indian stores in Dallas to ask people to consider for IV cause, as long as I believed and hence was asking.

    I was just getting started with so many ideas for my free time.

    Good luck in what ever you do guys. Note that GC is not everything and note that I am still on extended H1, family on H1 and EAD never helped me. so assumption that EAD helped my life is baseless. All these hypocrites are long gone from IV once they get GC. All we get is response that Mr X or Y , even after getting GC, is working fro cause. How can I believe.

    Any organization can be successful if there are questions answered and not shot down. Just working at DC doesnt make some one a strong contributor for IV.Work at grass root level is so imp. What I have noticed is any one who went to DC has become headstrong, egoist and arrogant as if they own IV.


    Please read my initial post before commenting. I always said, I am for IV cause. just convince me so that I can convince some one

    Gisa pita dialogue,...dont ask what IV has done,, ask yourself what you have done... COMMON

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  • sbay2006
    07-12 05:38 PM
    Here is the reality: The thread is 2 years old and we have not had a group of motivated folks who could commit both time and money for this. In the last 2 years thousands have read this thread and have got greencard, but after getting greencard most people have different priorities in life. Writing posts on the forum asking IV to work on it will not get anything done on this issue. Nobody else will do anything unless those who seriously want to work on it commit their time and money for it.

    They need to be going to fund raisers of lawmakers and contributing to election campaigns etc as a first step to lobbying. We need to see IV green card and citizen members doing this more regularly anyways to help others in line behind them and get more politically active.

    Few things for GC holders to know:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Can non-US citizens contribute?

    Foreign nationals are prohibited from making any contributions or expenditures in connection with any election in the U.S. Please note, however, that "green card" holders (i.e., individuals lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the U.S.) are not considered foreign nationals and, as a result, may contribute. For additional information, consult our "Foreign Nationals" brochure.

    Read more : Foreign Nationals Brochure (http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml)
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Here is how people can organize this effort:

    If some green card holders seriously want to work on this issue, the first thing they need to do is form a team. Commit for a long term effort. This is not going to be an effort for a few month or days but will take several years. After you form a team, the next task would be gather as many people as you can who want to work on this issue and wish to meet lawmakers. You will also need start-up money to work on this effort. This effort is not as simple as fixing green card backlogs. If we are thinking working on this effort will be as simple as writing emails, then it will not be worth spending time. Be prepared to personally go and meet lawmakers in both your area and DC every couple of months. IV core team has been making trips to DC every month for past 4 years and only then we have been able to bring our issue in focus.

    Citizenship rule change would change the INA and would require lot of support from H1B community, Greencard holders and citizens. It would require lot of funds too. Be ready to contribute your own funds (not hundreds but more than that to start) to run advocacy tasks. IV site is just a platform with a web-forum, but the real work that costs money is daily advocacy operations. Running is site is not expensive. Once the effort gains momentum, you can raise from IV forums from other Greencard members as a separate pool just like we did for FOIA.

    At this time IV does not have the bandwidth or resources to work on this issue. Our primary focus is fixing greencard backlogs so that our members are out of the Greencard Queue. We started this organization for this purpose and we wish to finish what we started before we take on any new effort. Even though some core team members have Greencards, we are all committed to work on Greencard backlogs and will not work on other agenda items in our limited time. It will have to be a parallel team within IV that can work on this issue. IV team can guide as needed but we simply cannot divide our limited time and resources on a new effort.
    Pappu,

    I've sent you a PM. Please let me know. We are committed to follow the instructions of IV leadership to take this further.

    All,

    Please send me a PM to me join in this parallel effort. Lets collect a list of folks and organize a dedicated effort.

    I fully second Pappu's comment as the current IV core leadership does not have time/$$ to spend on Citizenhip. Getting GC for all of us has and should be the first priority. Thanks to IV core and many of us fellow volunteers, their effort has paid off as things are moving decently fast for EB2 for now. Hopefully our fellow EB3 friends also see some hope in FY'11. As I was saying in the previous posts, many big corps have not filed for new labors in FY'08, FY'09 which should free up many ROW visas. This should help EB3 in the near future.





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  • sdrblr
    09-03 04:36 PM
    I never saw the CPO email or status...all that got via email and online is "Notice mailed welcoming the new permanent resident". Does this mean no card ordered or is it kind of goes with out saying.



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  • clockwork
    07-11 07:15 PM
    Extra Long and tedious? Is it any short and swift right now?
    My pd is June 2003, what do you expect me to do? Wait 5 more years?

    I agree with you, it cannot much longer than what it is now. And also, 2008 is election period and new regime may handle it differently.





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  • luish73
    03-15 07:53 PM
    Thank you for the info...My PD is 03/25/2005...A lot of people filed for their RIR or regular LC in the 2nd quarter of 2005 (jan-march) trying to get ahead of new PERM, which was supposed to have greater chance for an audit. Last day of old LC was 03/28/2005 and thus the hike of PD's that quarter...the following quarter you didn't see many LC approvals until lawyers and applicants were confident enough that the PERM system in fact was working as expected to start filinf for new appls, and thus the fewer approvals

    It's hard to get a good idea when so few people participate in the poll so I took the data available on and ran a few numbers.
    I queried for EB3-ROW I485 pending applications (~700 applications) and copied/pasted the data to a spreadsheet: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pivQbtGMEqKxBgHVI0_y4IQ

    Here's a report with a PD distribution chart so you get a better idea on where we stand:
    http://www.mediafire.com/?t3r2tmt49we
    You'll have to zoom in a little to view the labels more clearly. The data is sampled quarterly on the chart.

    I uploaded the data to Google Docs in case you want to create different statistics.



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  • jonty_11
    06-29 03:46 PM
    Thanks Andy for something authentic. What is VCO advisory? Does this advisory reset dates in VB?
    VCO is the office within DOS.....and yes it can supercede a VB (as it says)





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  • niuniuxin2006
    05-02 10:49 AM
    if you look at the data at carefully, you won't get that conclusion--india EB2 is not the only victim!

    Perm is not based on nationality. All people with their perm audit are the victim of slowing Atlanta!


    We need to unite as many people as we could so that Atlanta could hear our voice!



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  • tamil12
    07-14 03:35 PM
    Like it or not In legal language you become more so called bright in EB2. If you apply in EB1 you upgrade your so called brightness. It does not matter in reality who you are. But as far as law goes for EB1, EB2 and EB3 etc it prioritizes based on qualifications needed for performing the job function. Our employers and lawyers decide on those requirements. Have you questioned those requirements?

    Maybe if we had questioned those requirements laid down by employer and lawyers, more people would be in EB2.

    Don't say EB2 guys are brightest....I have seen many of my friends sitting on bench till now more than a year in body shopping company's getting greencards now........





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  • h1techSlave
    09-25 06:37 PM
    I is only based on a law. In the past CIS used the law to implement one set of policy (horizontal spill over). Since the middle of 2008 CIS is using the same exact set of laws to implement a different set of policy (vertical spill over).

    Allocation of immigrant visas is not a policy matter. It is based on law. Any change should come thro law change. Congress (&president) has to amend the law (INA) how to modify the allocation. It is not a simple matter. Both DOS and USCIS knows it unfair to keep EB3-IN in 2001; but they can't do any thing. Thats whu EB3-IN folks should try hard to make the congress to change the law. Contacting DOS or USCIS not going to help, as they have no authoity in changing the allocation methods (they only execute the methods).



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  • needhelp!
    09-20 07:50 PM
    Yes, Logiclife is a bit touchy about the flower issue. But its all good
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  • gapala
    03-19 08:08 PM
    He meant that 140k Visa numbers allocated each year, out of which less number Visas are actually processed by CIS, all the unused visa numbers in the past which might be more than 300k should be used now to reduce the backlog.
    Totoro,

    CIS did not issue all those 140K visas for past sevaral years despite of the fact that there were more than 140K applications pending with them during all those years. Those visa numbers were lost and the applications accumulated over the period of time due to inefficient USCIS process.

    This is what ombudsman said about this issue and I quote

    "For example, when employment-based visas are not used during the year they are authorized, they are lost and are not available for future use without special legislation. In FY 06, over 10,000 employment-based visas were lost, even though USCIS had an estimated 100,000 to 150,000 pending applications for employment-based green cards.36 Based on USCIS use of visa numbers as of May 2007, at present consumption rates approximately 40,000 visas will be lost in FY 07 without a dramatic increase in USCIS requests of visa numbers.37 As illustrated below, since 1994 there have been over 218,000 un-recaptured employment-based visas lost due to underutilization of the employment-based visas. " end quote.

    Here's the link to all the issues raised by ombudsman in 2007 annual report.
    http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/CISOMB_Annual_Report_2007.pdf





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  • battineni
    07-13 04:07 PM
    I read that there are 2800 EB3-I visas a year, or about 233 visas per month. Assuming there are about 700 numbers available for the rest of the year 2010, using the data in the latest May-2010 I485 inventory, the calculation is pretty straight n easy with no spillover calculations involved ... here is a possible progress of the PD:

    Sep-2010 : 10-Dec-2001

    Sep-2011 : 31-May-2002

    Sep-2012 : 15-Sep-2002

    Sep-2013 : 01-Jan-2003

    Sep-2014 : 01-Apr-2003

    From there on the numbers are huge per month - about thousand pending 485 per month ... it'll continue at less than snail pace :D



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    As per Pending Employment-Based I-485 Inventory

    EB2 India

    Year 8/28/2009 12/11/2009 3/8/2010 5/27/2010
    1998 1 0 0 0
    1999 3 2 2 2
    2000 16 4 5 3
    2001 71 40 25 13
    2002 189 103 70 29
    2003 440 229 144 68
    2004 6324 611 307 199
    2005 10791 10256 10121 10061
    2006 19240 18847 18595 18551
    Total 37075 30092 29269 28926


    EB3 INDIA
    Year 8/28/2009 12/11/2009 3/8/2010 5/27/2010
    1997 1 11 2 0
    1998 25 18 19 4
    1999 19 15 5 1
    2000 50 21 14 3
    2001 1630 1511 1169 996
    2002 8313 8155 8155 7899
    2003 12503 12422 12070 12264
    2004 14734 14237 14061 14191
    2005 9059 8782 8669 8613
    2006 11067 10883 10698 10587
    2007 4819 4819 4774 4267
    Total 62220 60874 59636 58825

    Total Move in EB3 from Aug 28th 2009 to May 27th 2010.... is just 3,400...out of that
    250 from 2003,
    540 from 2004,
    445 from 2005,
    480 from 2006,
    550 from 2007

    Total 2,265 from 2003 to 2007 that means those are Eb3->EB2/some other category moves...not the actual Approvals.

    so looklike from Aug 28th 2009 to May 27th 2010...in EB3 we are having only around 1,140 aprovals....which is very very less, compared to 8,200+ approvals in EB2....

    I'm not saying anything for the EB2 people...I'm saying EB3 is not moving compare to EB2.

    Looking at the above table....I'm windering why we are not getting many approvals for EB3 as compared to EB2???

    I can Understand why EB3 is in 2001 and EB2 in 2006... but we should get atleast same number of approvals right????

    In that very less decrease in EB3 numbers, most of them are because of EB3->EB2 move,,,,,,

    If this is the case, then Whencan i expect GC with EB3.... I may stop thinking about GC in near future.





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  • amitjoey
    05-15 01:52 PM
    I am looking for advice on the strategy for filing the third phase since the PDs for my wife and me have become current. My PD is Feb 2003 (EB2) and my wife's is June 2003 (EB3). My wife and I are on 8-th yr H-1B extensions with approved I-140s. Which strategy makes sense and are they even valid? The objective is to go with a risk-free strategy that gets us the GC in the quickest manner.

    1. I apply for I-485 (AOS) using my PD, with my wife as dependent. And my wife applies for I-485 (AOS) using her PD, with me as dependent.
    2. I apply for I-485 (AOS) using my PD, with my wife as dependent. And my wife applies for Consular Processing using her PD, with me as dependent. OR vice versa.
    3. Any other option?

    Thanks,
    Jayant

    Counsular processing(CP) or AOS is determined according to individual situation. It depends on Job-stability, lot of factors. you should do what works for you after careful evaluation, not hedge your bets by doing 2 applications. Just do one way, either use your PD or your wife's and do one application for I-485. Whichever has the best chance with the lowest rate of RFI. whoever wants to stick around longer in their job (you or wife?) should apply, it will take a year+ for that person to stay in the job before final physical card and then 6 more months. Talk to your attorney.





    satishku_2000
    06-29 03:20 PM
    I just heard from a friend of mine that some attorneys are charging a premium to file applications on 2nd. This makes me think twice about veracity of the rumours .





    dogking
    06-29 10:43 AM
    Just called my lawyer, she will work overtime on Sunday and try to file our applications on Monday.



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