amsgc
02-04 02:12 AM
See response below.
Folks,
I am not a naysayer, I think the IV core team has done a great job of giving a voice to us.
But, there are a few questions that I am not convinced myself:
1. why remove per country quota just for EB, why not family based immigration as well?
=> Unlike family based immigration, Employment based immigration is based on the expressed need of US businesses for skilled labor. The position filled by EB based immigrants are first advertised in the local market, and if a US Citizen or LPR is not found with the requisite skills, only then is that job offered to a foreigner with the requisite skills. This means that the foreigner is needed by the US business to perform services on a permanent basis. In essence, the US gets a well trained and experienced foreign worker who is able to contribute to the economy on the day he gets his Green Card. It is very important to note that this job offer is made solely on the skills, education and experience of the foreigner, and the need expressed by a business. Also note that these individuals constitute only 14% of total immigration.
On the other hand, there is absolutely no information on how an individual who comes in through family based immigration will be able to find a job, and start contributing to the economy. I am not saying that these individuals are incompetent, only that there is no data on how they will fit in. If you look around you, you will find that most people who enter the US through family based immigration lack language skills, are much older, and find it difficult to start over and assimilate in a new country. Many end up doing odd jobs which can be really frustrating for them. Since there is really no business need for these individuals in this country, and because they are whopping 86% of all immigration, a cap on family based immigration does make sense.
You also need to understand the other important difference – most EB folks have already assimilated into this culture – they have been here for several years, worked a couple of jobs and in many cases attended US graduate schools.
2. what will happen after removing per country limits, what kind of numbers are we looking at? how many new PRs? What is the impact on the country,economic, social, cultural, I do care about the USA.
=> The result of removing per country limits will be that every individual will be given an equal opportunity to immigrate to the US based on their skills, education, and the specific need expressed by a US business. It will be a system where everybody gets in one line - first in, first out. Some will say that the current system is fair because every "country" gets a fair chance. But that is just and attempt to mislead. The "country" does not file a petition to immigrate; it is a skilled individual who files a petition to immigrate based on his skills, education and his requirement in the US.
Regarding numbers - I will give you a simple example. My GC process was started 3 years ago. My co-worker, who is from a non-retrogressed country, started his application last year. We both applied in the same category, and work in similar positions. We also have similar skills - US MS in CS. Because of the country caps, my application is still pending, whereas he already got his GC. If the country caps were removed, my wait time would have reduced by a year, his wait time would have increased by a year - we both would get the GC after waiting approximately the same amount of time. It would have been a first in, first out system. But it is not so, and it needs to be fixed.
Like you, we all care about the USA. I assure you that it will have only a positive social and cultural impact on the US. Why? Because removal of country caps would lead to a system that is based solely on merit and hard work. Isn't that what this country is about?
Regarding diversity – the individuals from retrogressed countries are already here, assimilating into the American fabric. Whether you give them the GC now or ten years from now, they will still be here - it will not change the ethnic character of this country.
3. By asking legislators to remove these per country quota limits, isn't this a paradigm shift in thinking?
=> This is not a paradigm shift. If you open your eyes and ears you will find hundreds of organizations set up across the US to educate and influence lawmakers about policies that should be put in place to better serve this country.
When I, a guy impacted by this EB backlog am not convinced, how the heck are we going to make a case to some congressman/woman?
=> Once you begin to feel the pain, you will understand. Perhaps you are new to the system, and are hoping that it will get better. It will not be long before you will suddenly find that a good number of years have gone by just waiting.
We should definitely move away from this snobbish view that EB folks are better than others, or that the USA needs the EB folks more than EB folks need the USA.
=> I am not sure where you get that EB folks are snobbish. It is not our issue - so whatever FB folks decide, it is up to them. Also, nobody said USA needs more EB folks, US businesses need the EB folks for whom a petition to immigrate has been filed and approved. Get the difference?
That said, I do believe that we have a humanitarian case for folks like us who are already in the queue. Educating congress about the path taken by the average EB immigrant would help.
=> You just contradicted yourself. A few sentences ago you seemed to imply that you really did not understand what could be gained by removing the country caps.
At the end of the day human life is human life even it is it Indian.
=> Really don't know what you are trying to say here. Anyway, if you feel the need to respond to this message, please do so after updating your profile.
Folks,
I am not a naysayer, I think the IV core team has done a great job of giving a voice to us.
But, there are a few questions that I am not convinced myself:
1. why remove per country quota just for EB, why not family based immigration as well?
=> Unlike family based immigration, Employment based immigration is based on the expressed need of US businesses for skilled labor. The position filled by EB based immigrants are first advertised in the local market, and if a US Citizen or LPR is not found with the requisite skills, only then is that job offered to a foreigner with the requisite skills. This means that the foreigner is needed by the US business to perform services on a permanent basis. In essence, the US gets a well trained and experienced foreign worker who is able to contribute to the economy on the day he gets his Green Card. It is very important to note that this job offer is made solely on the skills, education and experience of the foreigner, and the need expressed by a business. Also note that these individuals constitute only 14% of total immigration.
On the other hand, there is absolutely no information on how an individual who comes in through family based immigration will be able to find a job, and start contributing to the economy. I am not saying that these individuals are incompetent, only that there is no data on how they will fit in. If you look around you, you will find that most people who enter the US through family based immigration lack language skills, are much older, and find it difficult to start over and assimilate in a new country. Many end up doing odd jobs which can be really frustrating for them. Since there is really no business need for these individuals in this country, and because they are whopping 86% of all immigration, a cap on family based immigration does make sense.
You also need to understand the other important difference – most EB folks have already assimilated into this culture – they have been here for several years, worked a couple of jobs and in many cases attended US graduate schools.
2. what will happen after removing per country limits, what kind of numbers are we looking at? how many new PRs? What is the impact on the country,economic, social, cultural, I do care about the USA.
=> The result of removing per country limits will be that every individual will be given an equal opportunity to immigrate to the US based on their skills, education, and the specific need expressed by a US business. It will be a system where everybody gets in one line - first in, first out. Some will say that the current system is fair because every "country" gets a fair chance. But that is just and attempt to mislead. The "country" does not file a petition to immigrate; it is a skilled individual who files a petition to immigrate based on his skills, education and his requirement in the US.
Regarding numbers - I will give you a simple example. My GC process was started 3 years ago. My co-worker, who is from a non-retrogressed country, started his application last year. We both applied in the same category, and work in similar positions. We also have similar skills - US MS in CS. Because of the country caps, my application is still pending, whereas he already got his GC. If the country caps were removed, my wait time would have reduced by a year, his wait time would have increased by a year - we both would get the GC after waiting approximately the same amount of time. It would have been a first in, first out system. But it is not so, and it needs to be fixed.
Like you, we all care about the USA. I assure you that it will have only a positive social and cultural impact on the US. Why? Because removal of country caps would lead to a system that is based solely on merit and hard work. Isn't that what this country is about?
Regarding diversity – the individuals from retrogressed countries are already here, assimilating into the American fabric. Whether you give them the GC now or ten years from now, they will still be here - it will not change the ethnic character of this country.
3. By asking legislators to remove these per country quota limits, isn't this a paradigm shift in thinking?
=> This is not a paradigm shift. If you open your eyes and ears you will find hundreds of organizations set up across the US to educate and influence lawmakers about policies that should be put in place to better serve this country.
When I, a guy impacted by this EB backlog am not convinced, how the heck are we going to make a case to some congressman/woman?
=> Once you begin to feel the pain, you will understand. Perhaps you are new to the system, and are hoping that it will get better. It will not be long before you will suddenly find that a good number of years have gone by just waiting.
We should definitely move away from this snobbish view that EB folks are better than others, or that the USA needs the EB folks more than EB folks need the USA.
=> I am not sure where you get that EB folks are snobbish. It is not our issue - so whatever FB folks decide, it is up to them. Also, nobody said USA needs more EB folks, US businesses need the EB folks for whom a petition to immigrate has been filed and approved. Get the difference?
That said, I do believe that we have a humanitarian case for folks like us who are already in the queue. Educating congress about the path taken by the average EB immigrant would help.
=> You just contradicted yourself. A few sentences ago you seemed to imply that you really did not understand what could be gained by removing the country caps.
At the end of the day human life is human life even it is it Indian.
=> Really don't know what you are trying to say here. Anyway, if you feel the need to respond to this message, please do so after updating your profile.
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mandeep1975
07-01 09:49 PM
When prominent business houses like Microsoft, Google, Cisco, Oracle and organizations like AILA seem powerless when it comes to influencing senators, lawmakers and government organizations like USCIS and DOS, what can IV team do to change the policies. Sorry I did not mean to criticize, but that's the truth, unfortunately!
perm2gc
01-09 08:13 PM
This thread's been silent..whats going on fellas.... Are you guys finding out new forums, new websites to post....... We have to meet our 10K membership......
thanks Bringing up the thread. I will post if i find some new forums.
thanks Bringing up the thread. I will post if i find some new forums.
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raghu112
11-17 05:08 PM
I totally agree. I did that 1 month back.
Had kept new quota in octo. as deadline. No promising change there.. and I switched job to new employer.. better position, better compensation and better life.
The new employer will start GC PERM labor after 6 months. I have 140 approved from old employer. So I believe I can transfer PD whenever new employer files 140.
Cannot just wait for years waiting for PD to become current and ruin career.
Had kept new quota in octo. as deadline. No promising change there.. and I switched job to new employer.. better position, better compensation and better life.
The new employer will start GC PERM labor after 6 months. I have 140 approved from old employer. So I believe I can transfer PD whenever new employer files 140.
Cannot just wait for years waiting for PD to become current and ruin career.
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rajuseattle
07-14 08:23 PM
ajthakur,
dont worry about LUD on 07/13, that was a generic update.
My wife's approved I-539 (H-4) from 2005 received LUD on 07/13, so that's nothing to do with your current RFE situation.
I think you are scared of your past employer or you are worrying too much, god knows what he has asked you to do which you dont want to mention on this forum, but if he has threatened you or if he is doing some illegal activities you have the protection under AC-21 for reporting such employers to USCIS and DoL. Please read the USCIS (Neufield) Memo published in May 2008.
Please let us know whats going on with your ex-employer, if he is trying to get some money from you or abusing you, you can very well report him to DoL and you will be fine under the new AC-21 memo which protects such employees who are whistle blowers and you are fully protected under US laws.
Lot of the times desi blood suckers abuse their employees and this is the reason USCIS came up with whistle blower protection under AC-21. your competent attorney can use this special provision and argue with USCIS why you were forced to change employment after filing your I-485 back in July 2007 and you switch the job under AC-21 provisions in August 2007.
dont worry too much, try preparing your AC-21 letter and Employment verification letter to answer the RFE.
dont worry about LUD on 07/13, that was a generic update.
My wife's approved I-539 (H-4) from 2005 received LUD on 07/13, so that's nothing to do with your current RFE situation.
I think you are scared of your past employer or you are worrying too much, god knows what he has asked you to do which you dont want to mention on this forum, but if he has threatened you or if he is doing some illegal activities you have the protection under AC-21 for reporting such employers to USCIS and DoL. Please read the USCIS (Neufield) Memo published in May 2008.
Please let us know whats going on with your ex-employer, if he is trying to get some money from you or abusing you, you can very well report him to DoL and you will be fine under the new AC-21 memo which protects such employees who are whistle blowers and you are fully protected under US laws.
Lot of the times desi blood suckers abuse their employees and this is the reason USCIS came up with whistle blower protection under AC-21. your competent attorney can use this special provision and argue with USCIS why you were forced to change employment after filing your I-485 back in July 2007 and you switch the job under AC-21 provisions in August 2007.
dont worry too much, try preparing your AC-21 letter and Employment verification letter to answer the RFE.
abhishek101
12-27 12:14 PM
Just to clarify on all the confusion:
If you are legally here i.e. on H1B yu can have any account and any mortgage. I can pretty much vouch for it because I am one of the persons in the bank incharge of enforcing the credit laws. The only requirement while giving a mortgage is what kind of credit scores and history you have. BOA is quite conservative in giving out loans while someother smaller institutions are not so conservative and hence the rejection from one and acceptance by the other.
For giving mortgage to illegals I do not know any reputable institution doing so. Yes there is always the grapevine.
I recently travelled to Delhi from SF using British Air in Dec. I chaged from Terminal 1 to terminal 4 while going and reverse while coming. Nobody asked for any visa, as far as I know it is not required. It was not required before then the requirement came in and now it is no longer there.
But I do have a valid visa on my passport.
About Hongkong it takes approximately 5 minutes to get a 15 day visa and the process is very smooth.
Singapore does not require any visa.
No visa for Germany, Middleeast and most of the East Asian stops.
If you are legally here i.e. on H1B yu can have any account and any mortgage. I can pretty much vouch for it because I am one of the persons in the bank incharge of enforcing the credit laws. The only requirement while giving a mortgage is what kind of credit scores and history you have. BOA is quite conservative in giving out loans while someother smaller institutions are not so conservative and hence the rejection from one and acceptance by the other.
For giving mortgage to illegals I do not know any reputable institution doing so. Yes there is always the grapevine.
I recently travelled to Delhi from SF using British Air in Dec. I chaged from Terminal 1 to terminal 4 while going and reverse while coming. Nobody asked for any visa, as far as I know it is not required. It was not required before then the requirement came in and now it is no longer there.
But I do have a valid visa on my passport.
About Hongkong it takes approximately 5 minutes to get a 15 day visa and the process is very smooth.
Singapore does not require any visa.
No visa for Germany, Middleeast and most of the East Asian stops.
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smuggymba
07-12 04:44 PM
Hi,
My PD is March 1st 2006. Just wondering is March 1st is in or out? i.e. cut off is March 2nd or March 1st?
thanks,
Rwe
be ready next month my friend.
My PD is March 1st 2006. Just wondering is March 1st is in or out? i.e. cut off is March 2nd or March 1st?
thanks,
Rwe
be ready next month my friend.
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gckabayega
03-17 01:07 PM
Thanks
Porting from Eb3 to Eb2, at first glance looks like advantageous to remained lot of EB3 as it seems to be shortened the queue but one factor spilling over from ROW to EB2 first w.r.t EB3 kills that "virtual" advantage proprtionately (if not 100%).
Porting from Eb3 to Eb2, at first glance looks like advantageous to remained lot of EB3 as it seems to be shortened the queue but one factor spilling over from ROW to EB2 first w.r.t EB3 kills that "virtual" advantage proprtionately (if not 100%).
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GCVictim
07-23 02:55 PM
my lawyer also told same thing, no need employer letter for 485.
Only I submitted letter for LC and 140 only.
So, according to my knowledge no need of employer letter
Only I submitted letter for LC and 140 only.
So, according to my knowledge no need of employer letter
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vdlrao
07-18 11:44 PM
Hi Gurus,
My PD is Dec06 EB2, do you have any guess when I will be current.
Thanks
Assuming you are EB2 India with PD Dec 2006
Best case your case will be current : 4 months
Worst Case your case will be current : 12 months, but not more than that.
My PD is Dec06 EB2, do you have any guess when I will be current.
Thanks
Assuming you are EB2 India with PD Dec 2006
Best case your case will be current : 4 months
Worst Case your case will be current : 12 months, but not more than that.
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gimme_GC2006
04-06 11:29 PM
good post ek_bechara!
ppl, think for yourself. don't believe in the rumor unless it happens to YOU!
btw, GCs are in separate immigration line at the airport, so I seriously doubt any H1B interview happened "right in front" of a GC holder. That's pure .. well you know what!
When is your next india trip.?
in 2006, In JFK, (this is not from friend->friend->friend->friend), Citizens and non-Citizens formed two lines..right next to each other..few officers were dedicated to USC, some of them to others..when there were no USC, they handled H1Bs
Now how did I notice it all this in 10 mins or so..well..that explains..it has to be a rumour.
:D
ppl, think for yourself. don't believe in the rumor unless it happens to YOU!
btw, GCs are in separate immigration line at the airport, so I seriously doubt any H1B interview happened "right in front" of a GC holder. That's pure .. well you know what!
When is your next india trip.?
in 2006, In JFK, (this is not from friend->friend->friend->friend), Citizens and non-Citizens formed two lines..right next to each other..few officers were dedicated to USC, some of them to others..when there were no USC, they handled H1Bs
Now how did I notice it all this in 10 mins or so..well..that explains..it has to be a rumour.
:D
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pj1
03-24 12:11 PM
Hi,
I am on an L1B visa which is valid till 2013.I want to know different options available if i wish to get an H1B visa.
Thanks
I am on an L1B visa which is valid till 2013.I want to know different options available if i wish to get an H1B visa.
Thanks
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grupak
02-15 05:33 PM
Look, I don't want to enter a pissing match with anyone here. Go read your history (http://americanhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/limiting_the_huddled_masses) before jumping to conclusions.
Supporting a law based on eugenics is very sad indeed.
Supporting a law based on eugenics is very sad indeed.
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conchshell
08-13 04:15 PM
Each Year un-used FB (Family based) visas are given to EB (Employment based) in coming year. Last year CIS did not use 22704 FB visa which is added to 140K EB count for 2008.
that means Eb2 india has more than 40k visa available ... that explains it why EB2 India and China has moved from June to August 2006.
that means Eb2 india has more than 40k visa available ... that explains it why EB2 India and China has moved from June to August 2006.
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grinch
02-15 07:39 PM
Well if you don't know how to start off, the first thing I do for every project, is create basic geometry, so I can get a basic idea of the scale. Then I start working off of it.
Here's part of my basic geometry.
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"Start off simple, understand what your creating, dont rush things" thats what I was told by pro 3d'ers
Here's part of my basic geometry.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/grinchvader/ex.jpg
"Start off simple, understand what your creating, dont rush things" thats what I was told by pro 3d'ers
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sushilup
07-11 12:49 PM
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source: www.immigration-law.com
07/11/2008: Indian EB-2 Visa Number in Visa Bulletin August 2008 and Anticipated Expedited Adjudication of Their I-485 Applications to Prevent EB 2008 Visa Number Waste
The movement of the EB-2 visa numbers for Indians is indeed a very good news in that it sounds that the USCIS intends to take out the visa numbers for them before the end of September 2008 as best as they can and attempt to adjudicate the applications before the new fiscal year starts on October 1, 2008. Obviously, there must be a large number of EB-2 cases which were filed during the July 2007 Visa Bulletin fiasco whose priority date is June 1, 2006 or earlier date. It appears that the USCIS has been working hard to get these cases ready for adjudication while their visa numbers are availalbe so that the agency prevents the visa number for FY 2008 from being wasted. Please stay tuned to this web site for this remarkable turn of the events.
source: www.immigration-law.com
07/11/2008: Indian EB-2 Visa Number in Visa Bulletin August 2008 and Anticipated Expedited Adjudication of Their I-485 Applications to Prevent EB 2008 Visa Number Waste
The movement of the EB-2 visa numbers for Indians is indeed a very good news in that it sounds that the USCIS intends to take out the visa numbers for them before the end of September 2008 as best as they can and attempt to adjudicate the applications before the new fiscal year starts on October 1, 2008. Obviously, there must be a large number of EB-2 cases which were filed during the July 2007 Visa Bulletin fiasco whose priority date is June 1, 2006 or earlier date. It appears that the USCIS has been working hard to get these cases ready for adjudication while their visa numbers are availalbe so that the agency prevents the visa number for FY 2008 from being wasted. Please stay tuned to this web site for this remarkable turn of the events.
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03-13 09:15 AM
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kshitijnt
05-10 11:27 PM
I urge everyone to read the donor forum...we need more people to work on couple of issues and fixes. Please become a donor and take part in this...if you are serious to fix these issues.
What is a donor. I previously donated $500 and I am not on that forum. Also asked IV through PM about it. Never got a response.
What is a donor. I previously donated $500 and I am not on that forum. Also asked IV through PM about it. Never got a response.
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pmb76
03-15 09:48 PM
yup........i wish everyone who used substitute labor, or interfiled EB3 to EB2 should not get their green cards for about 10 more years. May they be screwed by their (mostly) desi (mostly) IT-Software employers.........they deserve every single bit of misfortune for F*$#ING up the chances for every honest EB filer, who patiently waits in the RIGHT queue.
As far as i am concerned, such people can go to hell.........and i wish they do!!!
:)
I agree with you completely ! I wish and pray Interfilers and labor substitution applicants rot in hell.
As far as i am concerned, such people can go to hell.........and i wish they do!!!
:)
I agree with you completely ! I wish and pray Interfilers and labor substitution applicants rot in hell.
akhilmahajan
10-16 08:48 AM
I will be mailing my letter today for myself and my wife and will be requesting my friends to do the same. Thanks a lot for taking the initiative.
GO I/WE GO.
GO I/WE GO.
yabadaba
09-10 12:10 PM
So are you coming then?
Thanks.
yes
Thanks.
yes